Over the last couple of years Le 21ème has emerged as one of the most buzzed about street fashion websites out of New York. The stark and moody signature photography of proprietor Adam Katz Sinding has elevated him to an elite status among "in the know" readers. His blog, called Le 21ème Arrondissement at the time of this interview, features some of the most distinctive photos out there of models, designers, and ordinary fashionistas, looking chic and mysterious, while stomping forlornly into an abyss of lens blur. Below is an edited version of my recent telephone conversation with Adam.
Brent: I’m sure
you get asked this in every interview you do, but can you tell me the story
behind the name of your website, Le 21ème Arrondissement?
Adam: Aw, man! I
lived in Paris back in 2005 in the 13th District. Paris has 20
districts. Naming the site the 21st
district was like saying “beyond Paris.” Looking back, it was probably not the best marketing choice
[to go for that name]. I just thought it was kind of clever, and in my opinion
Paris is the creative epicenter of the fashion world. Everything is inspired by
it. I don’t think I thought too much about the name. I just thought it was a
clever idea. It sounds really stupid and really funny when I talk about it, but
that’s ok.
Image by Adam Katz Sinding. |
Brent: Do you
have a shorthand for the blog, when you’re talking about it to yourself or your
friends?
Adam: I don’t
even really say the name, because no one knows what I’m saying if I say it in
French. I always just say “the 21st Arrondissement,” vs “Le 21ème
Arrondissement,” unless I’m in Paris, speaking to a French person. I’ll call it
“Le 21ème” or “The 21st." Everyone [else] calls it “Le 21” or “the
21,” and I’m like “whatever.” Obviously I’m not the best at branding.
Brent: How would
you describe Le 21ème? What kind of blog is it?
Adam: I don’t
know. I guess street style is the best way to stereotype it, but I really hate
that. I don’t even use the word “blog,” to be completely honest. I think it’s
an embarrassing word. I think it’s a silly word. It’s actually really ironic,
because the word “blague” in French means “joke.” So for me it’s like a double
entendre. It really is just a weird word. There are certain words I just don’t
like to say and that’s a word I just don’t like to say. I call it “my site.”
I guess it’s street style. That term is even very loosely
used. I shoot backstage. I shoot at fashion shows, which I don’t think is real
[street style]. That’s more of a presentation than reality. I’m just very
careful of how I label things. I just
take photos of things that I like.
And things that inspire me. I don’t even want to say inspire me. Things that
intrigue me. Things that catch my attention. The nice thing about digital
photography is that you can take a photo of something, and it doesn’t cost you
a penny. I take a photo of a million things that I’m not really that interested
in, but they catch my eye. And they never make it to the website. I take
thousands and thousands and thousands of photos each week of fashion week, and
maybe 15 or so show up on my site, so you have to imagine what kind of shooting
ratio I have.
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Brent: Sure. Do
you concentrate largely on fashion weeks these days?
Adam: It’s the
most exciting [thing to shoot], I think, just because of the pace. I go out
every day for eight hours and shoot. When you’re at fashion week, it’s
guaranteed that you’re going to get good material. But it’s a little bit more
theatrical [than everyday life]. It’s just something different. As soon as I’m
there I’m doing it, and it’s like I can’t wait for this to be over. And then as
soon as it’s over I can’t wait until next fashion week. The novelty is really a
bit of an endorphin rush.
Brent: So what’s
the scene like at fashion week these days with all the bloggers? I mean, is
there a lot of competition over getting photos? Is it a mad house?
Adam: Yeah. Every
season is more [of one]. And then all these magazines are hiring us [bloggers]
and other people to go out there and shoot for them. Which means now there’s a
lot more money involved, and more people are wanting to get into it. I’ve only been shooting fashion week
for four seasons now, and when I started there were maybe 15 to 20
photographers out there. Now there are probably 40, maybe 50. And it sucks,
because you lose a lot of fantastic shots. The big thing the magazines want is
brand information, so as soon as some photographer’s done, they just go walk up
to the subject that everyone’s taking photos of start talking to them, and
getting their brand information, which really destroys a lot of opportunity.
Some of my best shots of men’s week I lost because of other photographers
walking into the shot. I understand [, though]. If it’s show-goers [walking
into the shot], I don’t mind that. It’s just part of the reality [of fashion
week]. But [when] the other photographers [do it], it’s a little bit upsetting,
because it’s all kind of self-centered. The
whole thing about blogging is it’s all about me, and my vision, and my
perspective, so [those bloggers] don’t care that they ruin other peoples’
shots. They just want to make sure that they get their own product.
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Brent: Do you see a lot of the same bloggers
over and over again, then, when you go to fashion weeks?
Adam: Yeah,
totally.
Brent: And do you
feel friendly with the other bloggers, or is it more of a competitive
environment?
Adam: They’re all
friendly with one another. I don’t really socialize in general. And I don’t
really socialize too much with other bloggers. There’s a few others that I’ll
speak to or are acquainted with, but I don’t need [the] distraction. I’ll get
very easily distracted, and I’ll miss shots. Somebody I’ve been waiting for all
day will walk by, or whatever. It’s the same thing when I want to go out and
shoot and one of my friends wants to come and get a cup of coffee. It’s like,
alright, now I’m not working; I’m socializing. And I need to be working.
Brent: Outside of
being at fashion week and events like that, do you feel like you’re a part of a
community or network of bloggers?
Adam: Maybe
inadvertently. If I am it’s by default. I don’t even identify myself as a
blogger. I’d rather be a photographer, and even that I have a hard time [with].
You know, my girlfriend is constantly correcting me when someone’s [asks me]
“Oh, are you a photographer?” “Are you a professional photographer?” is a
question you get all the time. Which to me is kind of a funny question, because
you’re walking around with a $10,000
piece of equipment around your neck. You’re either a surgeon, or you’re a
professional photographer. One or the other. Number one, you have to be
able to get the money for the camera. So I always will say, “You know, kinda.”
And she’ll be like, “Yes. Yes, he is. Shut up. Quit being so modest” or
whatever. It’s very difficult, again, for me to label myself as something. I
feel like I’ll leave that to other people.
I’d probably be a lot more successful if I were part of a
blogger network or something like that, but I just don’t have a desire, I
suppose. That’s just me. That’s not the common thread of this group. It’s just
me.
Image by Adam Katz Sinding. |
Brent: Fair
enough. So, are you able to support yourself through your photography at this
point?
Adam: I have been
for a while, I just don’t choose to, because [of] health insurance. What happens
is just that whenever I go off of health insurance, that’s when I get injured.
And last time I had a one month lapse in health insurance I jammed a piece of
glass through my forehead and had to spend the night in the emergency room. So
I have a job. I’ve always worked in hotels, ironically, because, like a said,
I’m a pretty [anti-social] person. I’ve always worked in hotels. It’s always
something I’ve been good at. I work in a hotel right now [in fact] as a
concierge.
Brent: So what
are your plans, then, for your photography and the fashion/style part of your
career?
Adam: I don’t
know. Right now I just struggle to find time to shoot. I’m having to turn
clients down pretty often, because I just can’t meet their quotas. Magazines
want ridiculous amount of images per month. So I shoot for Elle magazine and I sell them like 250 images a month. And then I
got approached by this other company, I don’t know if you’re familiar with it,
Shop Style, it’s like a huge deal, I guess. I’m not really an Internet person
aside from my website. But they want 150 images a month, and then Grazie in Italy wants 10 images a month,
and W magazine, so it’s like every
day I need to shoot 20 people. Now, a good day on the street is ten people, and
a great day is like 13 people. And as a full-time photographer every day I’d
have to shoot that much, and as I only have two days off, it’s pretty
ridiculous. It’s impossible to keep up with basically. And the thing about
photography is your chasing invoices all the time. It’s not like a job where
you’re getting paychecks every week deposited into your account. It’s a 60 day
period you’re waiting before you get paid sometimes. And when you deal with the
Italians, I’ve figured out that that can be up to a year.
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Brent: It
definitely requires a lot of flexibility and patience, it sounds like.
Adam: I don’t
have lot of patience or flexibility. I guess I’m flexible. I just don’t like
being given the runaround. I’m hyper-organized, and I’m probably quite, in all
honesty, the anomaly for this industry, because I really am organized. I have
literally 130,000 images on my computer, and I’m going through individually
every single aspect of them: who this is, what season it was, what they’re
wearing, everything, so that, in the event that a magazine contacts me, and
they want a photo of Miraslava Duma wearing this outside of this show, all I
have to do is type it into my computer. It will pop right up, and it saves me
any effort. I always joke about the fact that someone will give you a thousand
dollars for pressing a button, but it becomes a little bit more than that if I
have to spend an hour searching for the image because of poor organization.
Brent: So you
moved to New York, what like 3 years ago?
Adam: I moved
here on December 31st of 2010. So, just over a year and a half now.
Brent: And how is
it different shooting street fashion in Seattle vs. New York?
Adam: It’s night
and day. You’ll maybe shoot 5 people a month in Seattle, whereas you can shoot
5 people in 30 minutes in New York. It doesn’t even compare. Seattle has gotten
a lot better from when I started, but there’s no real fashion there.
Image by Adam Katz Sinding. |
Brent: So did you
move to New York specifically to pursue the photography career?
Adam: Yeah.
Brent: Do you
have formal training in photography?
Adam: Outside of
taking a black and white photography class after 5th grade for 4 or
5 days, no. My dad [,however,] was a photographer — not professionally, but as
a hobbyist. The only way that I ever really learned to use a camera was I dated
this girl, and she wanted someone to take pictures of her really quickly, so
she could submit them to a modeling agency, and I had no idea how to use a
camera. She explained to me how a light meter worked, and I was like, “This is
fun,” and the photos turned out alright, and [so] I went out and bought a
camera, and I’ve constantly been upgrading since then.
Brent: What are
you using these days?
Adam: I have a
Nikon D4.
Adam Katz Sinding. |
Brent: Nice
camera.
Adam: It’s an
incredible, incredible camera. In all honesty — and people may argue with
this— it’s got so much to do with the equipment. If I had a bottom of the
line Nikon, we wouldn’t be having this conversation right now. No one would
care about my website. I’ve always had nice cameras, and that’s the only reason
that I think I’ve had any real success. I guess it’s fortunate, because it
means that anyone who really wants to do it can do it, but it also kind of
sucks that it’s one of those sports where you have to have a ton of money to
get into it. That’s why you don’t see any professional cycling teams from
Africa. Who knows how good of an F1 racer I’d be if I had enough money to build
an F1 car.
Brent: Do you
typically use a portrait lens to get that nice blurred out background?
Adam: Yeah. I’m
pretty much a one-trick pony. I use the 85mm 1.4, always wide open. I just love
the way it looks. I used to use the 50mm, and I remember, I bought the 85mm,
just because I wanted to have it, and I had never used it before, and I bought
it, and I had it for like 6 months and never used it. Then my 50mm stopped
working, and while I was having it repaired, I used the 85, and I was just
blown away by it. It’s so nice.
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Brent: That’s
what I hear a lot of people say. You can really see the difference in peoples’
images.
Adam: Yeah. If
you look at my friend Koo’s blog —it’s called I’m Koo— he has my old
camera. He bought my Nikon D3S, and he has a 50mm 1.4. He’s a very very good
photographer, but there’s a definite discrepancy between his photos and my
photos, just because of the lens. My camera’s a little bit better, [in terms
of] the body, but the lens makes such a massive difference.
Brent: So do you
have any particular photographers that you would cite as influences on your
work?
Adam: I really
like Jak & Jil. I think that Tommy [Ton] has a really incredible eye. He
sees a lot of things that I don’t see, which makes me jealous. But he’s also
been doing it for a lot longer, so he’s kind of got it down. I’m sure a lot of
people would say Scott Schuman [The Sartorialist]. I’m not at all inspired by
him. I can’t deny that his website inspired me to start, just because I hadn’t
seen anything like that before. There was stuff like that in Seattle, but it
was crap. But then I saw his website. And also Garance Doré, his current girlfriend’s,
website. I don’t look at it anymore [but in] 2008, 2009 [it] was really
incredible. She’s a really great photographer in my opinion. I think she may be
one of the most talented of the big guys. [But] who knows how much retouching
is done. I feel like she took really great photos. And now she’s kind of become
like this girly blog, and it’s not really my thing anymore.
Brent: Yeah, it
definitely feels like it’s gone in a different direction. So you made the
comment about retouching, and I’m just curious what your attitude about
retouching is. Is retouching fair game? Or is that something you should avoid
if you can?
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Adam: You have to
do it a little bit. If someone took a picture of me, and I had a giant pimple
on my forehead, I would really hope that before they put it on the Internet
they would get rid of the pimple, just for my own self-confidence. I’m not
going to change someone’s chin, [though]. What I’ve noticed on Stockholm StreetStyle — which is another site I look at — not necessary to look at what
people are wearing, but as a reference site to get people’s names — people
don’t even look the same. They look like ten years younger. And it’s like,
alright, that’s not what this is about. This isn’t a beauty show. It’s about
some sort of reality. This is just my opinion, though. I have a lot of things
I’m against that a lot of the other photographers do.
All I do is I take the photos, put them into Lightroom, and
see what happens when I click the auto button on develop mode. I just like to
see what the computer suggests. I
either keep it or I don’t. Then, I boost my blacks a little bit. I smart
sharpen, and that’s it. I mean, if it’s a cloudy day, and there’s a green tree
in the background, maybe I’ll boost the greens a little bit, so that it’s a
little bit more eye-catching, but I’m not going to do anything more than that.
Brent: So when
you go to a show or some other major fashion event, do you have a checklist in
your mind of people you want to be shooting on any given day?
Adam: Nah, it’s
whoever turns up. You know, I’ll go through a whole week and I’ll think, “Aw
man, I never got to shoot blah blah blah!” And [I think], “Oh well.” No.
There’s so many people [there that] you can never keep track of who’s where and
what. Sometimes if I’m shooting for a magazine, yeah, definitely, because I
know that they want those photos. But I’m not going to hang out if I haven’t
seen somebody yet.
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Brent: Are you
still shooting candid street style shots too?
Adam: Yeah,
totally. Not candid though really. I mean, I shoot candid when I do fashion
week, but when I’m on the street it’s more, “Can I take your picture? Ok, cool,
stand there.” I think [street style is] far more interesting than going to
fashion week as far as showing some cross-section of reality.
Brent: And do you
have a specific approach that you use when you go up to people?
Adam: Apparently
I’m too passive, according to a lot of my friends. I just go up to somebody,
and I say “Hey, excuse me, can I take your photo?” And if I’m shooting a particular
magazine, I’ll drop the name of that magazine, because it tends to get a “yes”
answer every time. And if it’s a
guy I approach them differently than if it’s a girl. I’m always really worried
that people think I’m hitting on them. I just don’t want people to think that,
whether it be male or female. And I hate when it’s like some amazing girl
walking with her boyfriend, and I go approach her. I feel like this guy thinks
I’m an asshole for talking to his girlfriend. I’m not that kind of possessive
guy, but I know a lot of guys are, and they get hyper-jealous, and I don’t want
to start some argument between them.
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Brent: How would
you describe your personal style?
Adam: I think
that I have really great style, I just don’t ever execute it. Because I’m
always working I walk so much. If I buy a thousand dollar pair of pants and
then I’m walking ten miles a day, those pants aren’t going to last that long.
So I end up just wearing a pair of Acne jeans, and then not caring when I throw
the crotch on them or whatever. I have an incredible wardrobe by my standards,
but I don’t wear any of it.
Brent: Do you get
much swag? Do brands and labels send you stuff?
Adam: No. But
again, I’m not good at marketing. If I work out an advertisement deal — if you
look at my website I have four or five ads — often times [they will send me
stuff]. But I’m one of those people it’s really hard to buy gifts for. I’m so
picky about who I would let advertise on my website that it’s the same kind of
thing. I don’t want any Ugg boots. I’m not going to wear Ugg. And I don’t have
any friends either that are going to wear Ugg to give them to. And I also think
it’s the best thing about me that I’m picky. If I wasn’t I think I’d just have
a website full of cute girls in American Apparel all day. Which, don’t get me
wrong, I’ve shot a lot of girls in American Apparel, but that’s not what my
website’s about. It’s about having a little bit more focused of a view on what
cool is.
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Brent: How would
you describe your brand?
Adam: I don’t know.
Difficult to pronounce? I really don’t know. It’s just stuff that I think looks
cool. I think it’s more focused on mood and — I hate to use this word — the
zeitgeist of what is happening. That changes from season to season, and my
taste changes from season to season, so I think that my site is really only
focused seasonally. And it can change next season. Who knows?
I’m going through all these photos and I’m going through the
first fashion week [that I shot] in New York, and it’s like, what was I thinking?
Why did I take these? I’m constantly learning, and I think I’m kind of falling
into my own, but I really don’t know, and I don’t want to stereotype this,
because if it changes next season I’m just going to look back and feel really
stupid for ever saying something else. I’m very OCD.
Brent: I think
you have to be to be a success in any kind of creative endeavor.
Adam: Maybe. I
don’t know. I have a hard time thinking that the other guys are, but they’re
vastly more successful than me. I’m like the business artist or whatever.
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Brent: Hmm. Well
it seems like you’ve done pretty well for yourself lately in any case.
Adam: Yeah, it’s
doing ok.
Brent: What kind
of traffic do you get?
Adam: It’s not
great, like a 150,000 pageviews a month or something. The way that I always
[explain] it to people who want to advertise is, it’s 150,000 people that are
there for a reason. They weren’t searching for “girl in black T-shirt” and
found themselves on my website. It’s people who know that’s their destination,
where they want to be. It’s a very focused audience as well. Which I think is
good. Because I have a funny feeling that even though The Sartorialist has like
45 million views a minute or whatever, only a couple percent of those people
actually know what they’re talking about or are actual real consumers that
could affect the advertisers’ income. But it’s constantly growing. It grows
about ten percent a month.
Brent: What kind
of means do you use to increase your traffic?
Adam: Nothing. I
mean, I tweet, just my posts, and peoples’ posts that I like. That’s really it.
I “like” stuff on Facebook. I’m not good at it. I’m not this person who has got
like 35 pinboards on Pinterest and they’re all highly organized or whatever. I
have a Tumblr, but it’s just a piece of junk. There are so many things that I
could do to increase my traffic, and I probably will do them, but I’m just too
much of a perfectionist to just go willy nilly. I need to get everything
organized and cataloged and then I can really start focusing on that.
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Brent: How much
help do you get running the site?
Adam: All the
site is all done by me. I have a developer who I basically drive crazy by
saying, “Hey, what if we do this, and then have this?” He’s absolutely the
greatest. Even when I can’t use words to describe something he knows exactly
what to do to make it happen. He’s from Seattle, actually. I never knew him
when I was in Seattle, but I posted on Facebook that I needed help from a
developer, and he took over. And then my friend Melody, who helps me shoot
sometimes, she has been doing the revamp I’m doing. She’s helping me modelize.
Every model that I’ve ever taken a photo of I’ve tasked her with finding out
who this is so I can tag it. So that’s kind of how I’m trying to increase my
SEO (Search Engine Optimization), but it’s also for my own personal thing.
Because during fashion week, all these models come out of a show, and they’re
bombarded by all these people that think they all look the same. And if I know
that person’s name, if I know who they are, and I’m really good matching names
with a face, because I’ve worked at hotels for so long, if some girl’s running
away from a crowd, and I yell, “Melissa!” and then she turns around and gives
me a look, just for a split second, then I got the shot, and nobody else did,
and that’s worth it. So it’s kind of for my own glossary of names. It’s like my
visual little black book or whatever. The worst thing is calling somebody the
wrong name, and I do that all the time. It’s so embarrassing.
Brent: Seems
unavoidable.
Adam: It really
is. Some of their names are so similar, and some of their names are so Eastern
European with so many syllables, it can get messy.