One of my favorite, recent discovery street style blogs is Cinder & Skylark, Cape Town, South Africa's premier urban fashion database. Below are edited excerpts from my Skype conversation with Michelle Oberholzer, the photographer and blogger behind Cinder & Skylark.
Brent: So, who is
Michelle Oberholzer?
Michelle: Well, I
would say [that] deep down inside I’m a creative. I’ve been creative since I
was a small child, always painting and drawing and knitting and crocheting and
making things, and exploring different ways of being creative. And over years
of trying different things and enjoying some of them more, some of them less, I
never really found something I could actually continue doing without getting
bored, until I started [doing] street photography. With street photography,
from the very first day I just loved it. The very first day I went out, I was
very insecure about it. I didn’t even know how to use a camera or anything.
[But] when I got home I [realized], “Whoa! I really really love doing this.” It
was quite a surprise to me.
Brent: What do
you think it is that you love about it?
Michelle: I
really respond to the individuals I meet. And having a great love for style, as
opposed to trends, or fashion, or what’s on the catwalk, I love seeing how
people interpret their own way of dressing. And [I say that as someone who has]
a diploma in fashion design. [Street photography took] my love of fashion and
it brought it closer to who I am as a person. I also love interacting with
different people on the street. The cultures in South Africa are so diverse,
and there are such diverse people that I come across all the time, it’s really
really interesting, and I discovered after I started [doing this] how
interested I am in people. I never really thought that was a part of me. I love
talking to people. And the latest thing on my blog, where I’ve introduced
questions about their favorite places and music — music also being one of my
great loves — is sort of a way of relating to people in that way.
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Brent: While
we’re on that subject, do you see an easily defined relationship between the
kinds of music people listen to and what they’re wearing these days?
Michelle: No.
[And] it’s [been] very surprising. No, I don’t. I mean [that is] obviously not
[true] all the time. Obviously if someone is dressed in a very gothic way [for
example], they may very well listen to goth music. But most of the time there’s
no way of telling, and I love that element of surprise.
Brent: I’ve
noticed a similar thing. I think my generation [who came of age in the early
1990s] was much easier to define [in that way than the current generation of
young people]. If we liked a certain type of music, there was a certain sort of
lifestyle and a certain style of dress that [went] along with that. [Whereas
these days] I find it very difficult to predict what it is that people are into
[from what they wear].
Michelle: Yes, it
just makes people so much more fascinating, because you don’t actually know
anything about the person until you start asking some questions.
Brent: So how did
you settle on what questions you wanted to ask them?
Michelle: I
wanted to keep it quite local, and make it interesting for locals, so that’s
how I settled on the question of “What’s your favorite place in Cape Town?,”
and in the beginning, when I started out, I was asking people about favorite
movies and books. But then I quickly realized that some people don’t like
movies and some people don’t like books, whereas 99.9% of people I talked to
responded to the music question. So I just thought, you know, that in a way it
tells a bit about the person, and it makes it more interesting for people to
read the blog as well.
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Brent: From an
ethnographic perspective, for me, it’s really interesting to see. And it makes
me wonder if that’s a question I need to start asking people [as well].
So, is there a Cape Town style that you can point to? Is
there something that differentiates Cape Town style, to the extent you’re
aware, from street style that you might observe in other places, on other
blogs, for instance?
Michelle: The
main thing I would say is that it’s quite casual, [at least] in terms of the
people [who] actually walk on the street. Cape Town is the kind of place where
a lot of people just get in their cars and drive. They’ll leave home, get out
at point B, and just get straight back in [their cars] and go home, so I do
know that there’s a huge part of the population that I never see on the
streets. And I wanted to keep my blog very authentically street, so I don’t
really like going to big places like malls, where there’s a different kind of
person going out, because to me that’s not true street. Cape Town is definitely
not like it is in European cities, and American cities, where there’s a lot of
people walking on the street all the time, so the kind of people I meet on the
street tend to be quite young. They tend to be using public transport. So what
I photograph is usually quite casual.
I think a lot of people have the perspective that that’s [a
reflection of] my style. That that’s what I want to photograph. Whereas [in
fact], I love diversity, so if there [were] more diversities available on the
street, I would be photographing [them].
Brent: So what do
you look for in the people you photograph?
Michelle: That’s
difficult for me to pinpoint. If I were to [limit it to a single word] it would
be “energy,” a certain kind of energy a person projects that makes the way they
look interesting to me. No matter what subculture [they subscribe to], if
there’s any sense of style there [and they emanate the kind of energy I look
for] then I take [their] photograph.
Brent: How long
does it usually take you to identify whether someone has that energy that
you’re looking for?
Michelle: I find
that [it depends] on what kind of mood I’m in. Some days I tend to be not as quick on the draw as other
days. Or some days [by the time I’m finished] scoping someone out they’ll be a
block down the road, and I’ll be like “Aw, damn! I should have photographed
them! “ But most of the time I would say [it takes] like split seconds.
Brent: When you
do identify somebody, do you have a set approach that you use with everyone?
Michelle: Yes, I
usually start out with “I do a street style blog, and I love your outfit, would
you mind me taking your photograph?” And most of the time people are very keen
to have their photos taken. I hardly ever get anyone that objects.
Brent: Yeah.
Likewise. That seems to be what more or less everyone tells me. Which in some
ways continues to surprise me, because I think were you to do this 10 or 15
years ago, the idea of being photographed on the street to be put online would
be kind of horrifying to a lot of people.
Michelle: Yes, it
really is fascinating that people are so [willing to be photographed].
Brent: What do
you think is behind the global street style blog phenomenon?
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Michelle: It’s
almost a contradiction to me, because it feels like [on the one hand] there is
a sense of people wanting to show their own city, the people in the city, [and]
the individuality of [the] style that’s going on in [in that city]. But on the
other hand, it’s this growing sense of the global village, you know. The
Internet makes everything so accessible that someone in New York would like to
see what people in Cape Town are wearing, or people in Cape Town would like to
see what people are wearing in Tokyo, and it’s this cross-interpretation of
style that makes it so fascinating.
Brent: So how
much time do you think that blogging takes up for you?
Michelle: At the
moment, a lot of time. It’s getting to the point where I’m beginning to feel
like I need a bit of a holiday. Because of [the success of my blog], I have
slowly but surely begun to work for other blogs as well. I [work on blogging]
at least a few hours every night and quite a lot of hours over the weekend.
Brent: How often
do you actually go out shooting?
Michelle: When I
started out [I had] the intention of only posting once a week, because I
thought it would get [to be] too much if I committed myself to more than that.
So I would go out to photograph one or two days per week and post once a week.
Now, with all the other [blogging] work that I’m also doing, it’s probably
about three to four days of photographing, and then in between editing and
posting almost every day.
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Brent: I know
you’re doing It’s What I’m Into. What are the other blogs that you’re working
with?
Michelle: I am
working for a Paris-based blog called Styleattitude.net, which I only send one
or two photos to a month, so that’s not really that time-consuming. I would say
What I’m Into is taking up most of my time, and then just in the last two
weeks, I have started to take some photographs for New York Magazine’s The Cut.
They are requiring quite [a lot] of photos from me, so I’ve been quite busy
with that. [But its worth it,] because that’s been quite an exciting project
for me.
Brent: Of course.
How do you find balance between your day job, blogging, and actually having a
life besides that? Or is it possible to have a life besides that?
Michelle: Well, I
think I am quite balanced. I think my life is quite full. I am single — I don’t
have a partner in my life at the moment — so there’s no one really needing a
lot of my time. I see my friends when I have the time, which works out. And I’m
also quite a spiritual person, so I spend quite a lot of my time meditating. I
think that helps to keep me sane.
Brent: Right. Do
you have long term goals that you would like to see come out of this blog and
the various other projects that you’re a part of?
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Michelle: I would
say yes. Since I started with the photography, I’ve loved it more and more, and
even since I’ve started working for It’s What I’m Into I’ve realized that, even
though street style is my first love, I also really love photographing other
things, and I really enjoy interviewing artists and other interesting people as
well, so that’s really sparked an interest for me in wanting to become a better
photographer, and I’m really hoping to spend more time on that in the future.
Brent: So how are
you teaching yourself photography?
Michelle:
(laughs) That’s been a bit of a problem for me, because I find that it’s almost
[as if] the jobs have rolled in faster than I’ve actually wanted to learn. So I
find that when I go out to photograph something I’m always in a rush and I
don’t really have time to experiment and play around that much. So I’m [looking
into doing] a short course, to actually learn from someone, to take some time
out and learn. At the rate I’m going at the moment, I feel that I want to
better my skills, and I need to actually take the time out to do it.
Brent: Well you
have to think so quickly when you’re out taking pictures of people that it is
hard to experiment in the moment of doing. You have to have trained yourself in
advance if you want to make it that automatic. I know that feeling.
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Michelle: And
because of the day job to find the time to do that… I haven’t actually. It’s
been in the back of my mind for a long time. So lately, realiz[ing] that people
are [beginning to] recognize me internationally, I [have been] motivated to
become better at what I do.
Brent: Well, it
shows in the images. I think you take lovely pictures.
Michelle: Thank
you.
Brent: For this
project I read quite a lot of street style blogs, and yours caught my attention
first because of the aesthetic of the images themselves, but also because I
think you capture very interesting people, a range of people that’s actually
quite unusual for a street style blogs. What kind of camera do you use?
Michelle: I have
a Nikon D5000 with a standard lens that it comes with it.
Brent: So nothing
extraordinarily fancy.
Michelle: No. Not
at all. When I first started my blog, I had a very very small old silver Canon.
I don’t even know what it is, but it was literally a one-button camera. And I
took that out with me on the streets when I started out, and when I think about
it now, I find it quite embarrassing. But it was where I was at, and I had to
learn. A couple of months after I started, I [decided], “OK, I’m actually going
to buy the bottom of the range of what is a reasonably better camera and see
[what happens]. And I saw such a huge improvement in my photos [that] now I’m
really inspired to try different sorts of lenses and learn different
techniques.
Brent: Do you
think that you have a distinctive photographic style?
Michelle: To me
it doesn’t feel that distinctive. It always feels that in a way I was shaped by
the city I was in and the camera I was using. I tend to not take very many long
range shots, because of the lens that I’m using. I don’t really get blurred
backgrounds and things like that. And also I just find that the streets aren’t
all that appealing to me, so I like using gates and walls as backdrops.
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Brent: I have
noticed that about your blog. You tend to do the walls and the gates and the
gratings, and these kinds of elements that certainly read as “of the street,”
but they have a different perspective to them than the standardized blurred
backdrop cityscape that so many street style bloggers use. Is there a story
behind the name Cinder & Skylark?
Michelle:
(laughs) Yes. It’s actually quite a long story, but to make it short I really
wanted to use a name that was completely unique, and it took me about six
months to find it. I didn’t want a name that was something like “Cape Town
Street Style.” It just didn’t feel like me, or what I wanted. So I literally
started reading dictionaries and Googling names, and I chose some[where] around
150 names, and every time I would Google it I would find it on the Internet.
And at that time the double barrel kind of name sounded quite cool to me, and I
just put the words together, and when I Googled it there was nothing else like
that out there. And that’s how it happened.
Brent: That makes
as much sense as any other approach that I’ve heard. It’s quite a frustrating
experience coming up with an original name. Do you participate at all in
fashion events in Cape Town for the blog? I know you have the fashion design
background, but has that entered into your practice of blogging at all?
Michelle: It has
lately. I’ve been invited to different launches in shops, launches of ranges by
designers, [and that sort of thing], which I can’t always attend, but I love
doing it [when I can], and I also love attending the local fashion week, which
is coming up again now in July.
Brent: What kind
of role do you see the street style blogger playing within a larger fashion
industry these days?
Michelle: Jeez!
That’s quite a difficult question for me. I don’t always know how serious[ly]
the industry actually takes us. For me it’s really been such an individual
expression thing that I’ve never really thought about it. I mean obviously you
see what The Sartorialist is doing and what he’s getting involved in and all
that, which is definitely quite influential, but, for general street style
bloggers I don’t know. I often get asked the question, “Does street style in
South Africa influence designers,” and I don’t think it does yet. And I do
think that from my perspective it is actually a good platform, because you do
see patterns in what people are wearing and what people like in different
cities, and what they respond to.
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Brent: It becomes
something of a database of styles internationally that designers could
potentially be tapping into, but aren’t necessarily. Do you think that street
style blogs in South Africa are having any influence on what people are wearing
on the streets of South Africa? Like, are people conscious of perhaps ending up
on a blog if they walk in a particular district in Cape Town?
Michelle: Yes.
They are (laughs). And Cape Town, the way that it’s laid out, there’s [only] a
very small part of the city center where all the trendy people hang out. When I
started my blog I was trying to keep it diverse and trying to go to many
different places, and then I soon realized I’m actually wasting my time. I tend
to go back to just the city center where there’s always well-dressed people
around.
Brent: Any trends
that are striking you as particularly interesting right now?
Michelle: There’s
definitely a big trend going on at the moment with women just wearing leggings
and oversize jumpers, like knitwear jumpers, and definitely still white
Converse sneakers. Lots and lots of white Converse sneakers.
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Brent: Those
sound like trends that are happening in places beyond Cape Town as well. What
are your feelings about advertisements and sponsorships on blogs?
Michelle: I have
been feeling like I want to get into that lately. I’m a bit clueless as to how
to go about it, though. I haven’t actually done it [yet], but I want to
approach people who are knowledgeable about it, so that I can get started.
Brent: What do
you know about the readership of your blog?
Michelle: I only
use the information that comes on Blogger, so I can see the basic demographics,
and it’s very interesting in that about a third of my readers are from the USA.
Most of them [of course] are South African, and then, quite a lot from the UK
and various European countries, including Russia. Russia featured quite a lot
in the last couple months. A lot of people started using links to my blog. So
there’s quite a lot of diversity. Also some South American countries. Australia
pops up every now and again. So it’s quite diverse.
Brent: What kind
of social media do you use to promote the blog?
Michelle: I use
Facebook and I use Twitter. I don’t think I use Twitter very effectively,
because I’m not a person that tweets a lot. I basically only tweet when I put
up posts. So I do think it could be used more effectively. I also feel that
that’s something I need to learn more about.
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Brent: What other
blogs do you regularly read?
Michelle: I’m not
a very regular blog reader. I tend to be inspired by certain things and then I
will just Google and find random things that I’m looking for. The one blog that
I consistently enjoy reading is Hel Looks. And Hel Looks is definitely the blog that inspired me to go
out on the street as well.
Brent: Do you
have much interaction with other street style bloggers?
Michelle: No. I
don’t actually. Apart from the people I’m now working with on It’s What I’m
Into, I don’t have interaction with other street style bloggers.
We talk for a while
about my previous research and what led up to this project and I tell her that
this is the first fieldwork project I’ve done where I never have a feeling of
dread about doing it. There’s something, I say, addictive and compulsive about
it. She responds with the following:
Michelle: [For
me, what’s compelling about it] really is the element of surprise. I find that
you just never know when you’re going to see the most amazing outfit next.
Sometimes when I’ve walked down the street for like 20 minutes, and I’m
starting to think “Oh my word! I’m not going to find anything today,” suddenly
this amazing person appears in front of me, [and] that’s the best feeling ever.
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